Umm, I know this is a while ago, but how did sirius die? I mean I know some spell hit him and he fell behind the thingy. but it couldn't have been avada kedavra because that has a green jet of light and this had a red jet of light. does anyone know, or have guesses....?

My guess is when he fell, he landed on sharp rocks and died Mortal Kombat style.

nice Cecil

right, basically, that viel i believe is the place people go when they die. Nick said that he didnt want to go, so he remained. im guessing that the place that the veil took him was "the place of the dead" kind of like heaven. its an ingenius creation if im right.

It definatley wasn't the spell. I think he died behind the veil sometime after that. I mean...I doubt there's food and water back there.



~Mel

i dont think its the food and water, i think that the veil is "a death chamber" remember, they heard voices, but only Luna and Harry could. who could they hear? i believe, whoever they have known die.

Yea, but what was the spell?

the spell was stupefy, it didnt kill him, the veil did

Yeah. It only says it was a red jet of light, but I know that red= stupefy so..yeah. What Tim said.


~Mel

red= stupefy or expelliarmus, but again, neither can kill

but harry could hear the voices when he went into the chamber origionally, before Sirius died.

Tim....Red is Stupify and expleiarmus is silver..or it is in the books

and I think Tim has the right idea. I think that the vail...well didn't kill him...but 'took' him...but he didn't die...just went to where dead people go...if that makes senice...but yes...like Harry and Luna could both see thestrals so yeah...maybe its the same...like Harry saw Cedric die, Luna saw her mom....and did they mention Nevile hearing them?

No, but they never really mention Neville that much at all. I dunno, I'll reread the DoM scenes and tell you what I think. OOH WAIT! ANALYSIS ESSAY.

Urgh, Lit. class is getting to my head.



~Mel

expelliarmus is red Simner, check GOF again.

right, thats a direct quote from GOF.

now, as for OOTP

direct from OOTP

right, now, lets analyse. we know that Hary couldnt take his eyes from the veil, because he has known death. (his parents, and Cedric) Luna could hear voices, although we don't know if she was as entranced as the others. she's seen her mother die. Neville's grandfather died, i believe, and he was transfixed. Ginny was the only one who was transfixed who hadn't seen death (she could not see thestrals) however, i think that she understands death, and that is why she was transfixed. she was so close to death in COS that shes bound to be transfixed.

finally, id like to point something out.

'you will find several escaped death eaters contained in the death chamber, bound by an anti-dissapperation jinx.'

thats Dumbledore talking to Fudge. we know the name of the room is the death chamber, so i can say that i think we're pretty much spot on with what i said earlier

Hmm...this is weird..I just read the book agein and noticed that part and was gonna post it...then I saw that you just posted it..so yeah...

lol I lost my OOTP copy. but yeah, expelliarumus is red. But why did he like, die that way? I don't think it makes sense....

I didnt really pay attention to how he died, i just remember that i figued it out when Lupin told him...and then i got really mad and threw my book. i love sirius. he didnt need to die. *sniffle*

right, im gonna be using a few quotes again.

ok, effects of expelliarmus spell:

ok, two references to expelliarmus being used. as you can see, there are similar effects.

first, COS confirms that Expelliarmus is red, or scarlet as the description goes. this means that it is in the running for being the curse used.

the second thing is that it blasts the person off their feet. Snape and Lockheart go flying when the curse hits them.

so, when Sirius dies: (note, this is a little choppy, the description of his death takes a while to get through)

skip a paragraph:

ok, thats enough.

right, so now we know exactly how Sirius died, but teh decriptions of his fall doesnt match the description of Lockheart or Snape falling, so that suggests that it was Stupefy.

Stupefy can't kill. even the most powerful wizard couldn't kill with Stupefy. it stuns, thats it. so the explanation has to lie with the veil.

as i have stated, i believe that the veil covers the place that wizards go when they die. Lupin stops Harry from touching the curtains, as does Hermione earlier, so that means it could be anything behind there. we have never had a description and i believe we never will. but the voices which only Harry, Neville, Luna and Ginny could hear (3 who have realised about death, one who came close enough to understand) and the fact that Sirius disappeared forever means that that veil has to be hiding something to do with death, and possibly a form of 'underworld'

I know it was posted FOREVER ago and it is the 2nd post in here, but I thought Nick said that becoming a ghost is a thing that is decided either before or at birth and not when you die. He also said that not many people choose that path and that Sirius wouldn't be come a ghost, but if it WAS a thing decided after death, then don't you think he would have chosen to become a ghost for Harry? I would have thought so at least because Sirius cared about Harry SO much.