We are less than a month away from the release and haven't talked about theories about book seven for a long time. Any ideas?



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I came across an interesting theory today. I am of the belief that Harry is a horcrux. So what if Harry destroys the remaining Horcruxes, in the process losing mentors and friends. Then, it is just Harry and Voldemort. Harry finds a way to kill the last piece of soul and then goes to kill himself when petigrew comes to him and tells him that he doesn't need to. If harry decides to give up his wizarding powers, Voldemort's final soul piece would be destroyed. This would be a satisfying ending for me as Harry would have sacrificed himself, as well as destroying Voldemort.

In other news, Kretcher is going to be important to the last book. JKR read the screenplay of OOTP and told them to write the house elf in. She told them that they would be sorry in the future if Kretcher wasn't in the movie. I think that means that he will play a vital role in DH.

Any thoughts? Other theories?

I thought that harry was a horcrux for a while. It would explain whhy voldy was ruined. Because he tried to split his soul one too many times.
Yeah. That's all I have to say. lol

At school we have also discussed this but the real question is- was Lilly a horcrux? It seems wierd, but voldemort gave her the chance to live and their has to be an explanation.

I don't think voldemort would do that unless it was an accident. I don't think anyone would become a horcrux unless it was an accident. That's why I think it was an accident that HP was made a horcrux.

If Harry was a horcrux then in GOF at the graveyard, Voldemort would have been reluctant to kill him.

Harry is a living thing.

Voldemort would not have made him a horcrux because from the prophecy he knew that the boy was his only threat.

End of story. Harry is not a horcrux.

Point taken, but what about this explaination. What if Voldemort knew that Dumbledore knew about horcruxes and knew that he would tell harry eventually. If you look at the other horcruxes, all but one are suspected to be nonliving. A dead harry would leave only nagini as an alive horcrux. Harry could in theory be dead and the horcrux still be active. Harry would be more valuable dead than alive to Voldemort. Why has voldemort recruited harry? Nearly every book, Voldemort has asked harry to join him. Harry has said no several times then voldemort has tried to kill him. If harry is a horcrux, it's easier for voldemort to keep tabs on him if he is dead.

Harry being a horcrux has major flaws.

1. Voldemort was scared of Harry being a force against him. many people were suggesting Harry to be the next Dark Lord (HBP - Spinner's End), which would be a terrible thing for Voldemort. not simply because of Harry killing him, but as having Harry as competition. Voldemort can be compared to a bully in a playground. he wants to be the top kid in school, have everyone fear and respect him. but then this new kid comes along and he's just as bad, just as big and ugly, and everyones just as afraid of him. what does the old bully do? he's scared of losing the position and the respect, so he knocks him down a peg or ten. the same can be applied for Voldemort. he's the bad boy of the world, then Harry comes and Voldy's scared of having competition, so he has to kill him before that competition arises.

2. Harry as a horcrux is impractical. unlike Nagini, Harry cannot be controlled by Voldemort. Nagini is safe to have a horcrux, as she is always next to Voldemort himself. Harry however, can be anywhere, and with anyone. Harry supposedly has the power to kill Voldemort. therefore its impractical to keep him alive for any amount of time. Harry also needs to be alive for the Horcrux to continue to work. this brings me on to point 3.

3. Harry sacrificing himself means he's dead. what happens to a dead person when they die? they begin to decompose and rot, until only bones are left. now, we are agreed that if Harry is a horcrux, then the obvious part to be the horcrux is the scar. unfortunately for Voldemort the scar is simply superficial damage to the skin. this presents a problem, because when the skin rots away, the scar is gone, and the horcrux is destroyed.

ok, theres the three points i want to make, next, ill look at your theories and start a debate for us, they're always fun on forums, unless you've changed the rules on HP debates in my absence.

Finn, in your first post you talk about Wormtail saying that theres another way. how would Wormtail know? he's a cretin, putting it short. admittedly, he's got brains (the whole book of POA shows his intelligence, how he escapes time and time again), however, he probably knows nothing about the horcruxes, let alone what they are or where they are hiding. finally, he probably wouldn't know Harry was one, and he wouldn't know how to stop Harry from sacrificing himself. he's smart, but not that smart as to pull something like that off. right now, the only people who appear to know of Horcruxes are Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny(?, possibly as she was dating Harry at the time), Voldemort and Snape (he helps Dumbledore). possibly Slughorn, as he is ashamed of what he told Voldemort. none of them would be able to pull such a stunt to get Harry out of a situation like that (Snape has the brains, but would he? he'd probably think let Harry die, then try to kill Voldemort when he has no horcruxes left. this would be Snape's logic.)

next, the idea of renounced wizarding powers. Harry supposedly "has the power to defeat the Dark Lord". this means no-one else can kill Voldemort, only Harry. so, if Harry has no magical ability, he cannot do this. therefore the book cannot end. Harry without magical ability is like Lord of the Rings with no One Ring. it can't happen.

next, on to Kiley's point about splitting a soul too many times. can you? i mean, lets go into the real world. Nuclear Power Plants split radioactive elements (uranium, plutonium etc) in half, which gives off lots of energy, this reaction can be done again and again and again without running out of material. if you half something, you get two halves, half a half, and you get a half and two quarters. know what im getting at? therefore, the soul can never be split "too many times" as it can be split an infinite amount of times.

Flame-Lily being a horcrux.... no. i don't think so. the same reasons apply for her as do Harry, she cannot be controlled by Voldemort. nobody knows why he almost let her live, but he did only want Harry. if JAmes and Lily hadn't tried to protect Harry, they both might have lived, providing Harry was killed. or, alternatively, he may have simply wanted her to watch Harry die before he killed her. Hagrid said it himself. "maybe he just liked killing by that point"

Finn- the final point you make about why Voldemort has tried to recruit Harry. i think its just because of Harry's huge power that Voldemort is scared of. Harry has "power the Dark Lord knows not" and therefore, this makes him strong. strong enough to be on par with Voldy? yeah, maybe. he's done a good job against him so far. imagine then, the power of a combination of Voldemort's power and Harry's power, both acting for dark deeds. its a scary thought, and i believe this is Voldemort's vision. with Harry under his command, he is unstoppable.

also, i think this point can simply be put down to JKR's writing. if Harry hadn't said no that many times, would we think as highly of him? no we wouldn't. for all we know, he could be weak and feeble and cave in the instant that Voldemort asked him to join. but the fact that she's written him in as refusing the Death Eater role, means we believe more strongly in his purity and goodness of his heart.

Tim, as we saw in OOTP, Harry can be controlled by Voldemort. Harry could destroy the part of voldemort in voldemort, then sacrifice himself. It says before he can be defeated, all his soul must be destroyed. Petigrew has to repay his life debt to Harry, I think this will be a meaningful part of the book.

Another theory I have. I think that all of the Hogwart's houses, including slytherin, will have to band together to defeat Voldemort. I think that a big part of the book is how society has classes. According to some wizards, Purebloods are better than halfbloods which are better than muggleborns. Some of these wizards believe that one house is better than another. I think that everyone, especially Draco, will have to overcome the societal expectations that his father puts on him and redeem himself.

Finn - We didn't see Voldemort control harry in Order at all. Voldemort used crude legilimency in order to "lure" Harry where he wanted him to me. Also, Voldemort could not retain in possession of Harry because it caused too much pain - unbearable for a force of Evil to touch.

Voldemort has tried to kill harry on many occasions in accordance with the Prophecy. Why would he put a precious bit of soul into someone he knows he must kill in order to rule the world?

Control is to keep someone/thing in check. By placing images into his brain, Voldemort is able to make Harry do things that he wouldn't otherwise do. Why did Voldemort try to get the prophesy if he knew it already? It seems to me that it would be a big risk try and take the prophesy if he didn't know it. I do think that Voldemort will do something to upset most of the slytherins, so that they will fight for the order.

i think its unlikely that harry is a horcrux. But i do believe voldemort must have tried to make him a horcrux at the night of harry's parents death, using james' death. but maybe Lily interfered and as making of an horcrux is a very strong spell, lily's sacrifice must have made the spell backfire, and left voldy in the state he was.
because remeber, voldemort could not touch harry before he got his blood? if a part of voldemorts soul was in harry why wouldn't he be able to touch him?
also it is clear that the killing curse doesn't leave any mark on the victim, so harry's scar has to be becuase of something else, which could be the remains an unsuccessful horcrux.

Let us also remember that Harry saw one flash of green light the night his parents died. I think that means that lily was killed a different way, perhaps trying to protect Harry, but I don't know... The prophesy said that Voldy marked Harry as his equal, maybe having an equal part of his soul?

Thats a convincing theory Finn. i read some forums online, and both the possibilities of harry being a horcrux, and not being one, are quite convincing. but i still have this gut instinct that he is not one.
but whatever I need the seventh book, i'm dying!

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~Mel