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Title: SPOILERS .... Harry's Cloak


Squall Leonheart - July 24, 2007 09:29 AM (GMT)
ok, Deathly Hallows brought about the idea of these "Hallowed" objects created supposedly by Death for the Peverell brothers.

quickly, lets recap

the brothers were walking along a bridge and they meet Death. (unlikely, but whatever.)

they avoid Death and Death gives them a wish each (why did Death not slice their heads off there and then?)

the first brother asks for the most powerful wand in existance, which could not be beaten in a duel. he goes away and kills and old enemy with it, and boasts in a nearby pub. the people who hear about it want it, so they slit his throat and steal it. and Death claims the first brother at last.

the second brother wishes for something to resurrect the dead, and he is given a resurrection stone. he gets home, turns it three times, and his girlfriend was before him. but she couldn't live like this, and he kills himself for bringing her back like he did. and Death claims the second brother

The last brother contemplates and is smart. he asks for something to hide him from Death forever. Death reluctantly hands over his own invisibility cloak. the cloak stays invisible forever, never fades, and grants immunity to curses sent at the wearer. the brother then stays away from Death until he is ready to die at a very old age. (how did the brother then have a son when he was invisible for ages?)



the book obviously concentrates around these Hallows. the Elder Wand was Dumbledore's wand (although it has to be said, it was not very well explained.), which became Draco's wand (Draco only disarmed Dumbledore. by the same thing, can we not say that Harry can use Snape's wand? from POA?), and Harry stole it from Draco's grasp when Draco was holding it in Malfoy Manor. (loads of people must have taken a wand from someone by force like this, does every wand switch owners this fast?) so therefore Harry owns it. and it won't work against him, like the dual phoenix tail wand.

the resurrection stone. what we know of this is limited. the stone was in Voldemort's ring. did Voldemort not realise that the stone was a Hallow. obviously he didn't or he'd be looking for the rest. also, the stone was in a ring, and the ring was Salazar Slytherin's at some point in time. how did Slytherin get this and why did he put it in a ring?

finally, the cloak. now this is what i want to concentrate on. lets hear from Mr. Lovegood on the matter shall we?

Ah, but the third Hallow is a true cloak of invisibility, Miss Granger! I mean to say, it is not a travelling cloak imbued with a Disillusionment Charm, or carrying a Bedazzling Hex or else woven from Demiguise hair, which will hide one initially but fade with years until it turns opaque. We are talking about a cloak that really and truly renders the wearer completely invisible, and endures eternally, giving constant and impenetrable concealment, no matter what spells are cast at it. How many cloaks have you ever seen like that, Miss Granger?

i think right now lots of people are shouting at the computer saying "Harry's cloak is all of them!"

yes, i've read the book cover to cover. i know this.

i'd like to draw your attention to this part

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We are talking about a cloak that really and truly renders the wearer completely invisible, and endures eternally, giving constant and impenetrable concealment, no matter what spells are cast at it.


so the cloak must:

render you completely invisible: yes, Harry's cloak does this.

endure eternally (never fade to be opaque): does Harry's do this? we don't know how long the cloak would last if it wasn't the Hallow, so how can we say? it might last 100 years, long enough for Harry and James, and some others to have it.

give constant and impenetrable concealment: ........

ah....

we've hit a snag....

does Harry's do this?

"yes yes yes, it does it does it does!" screams the idiot from the front row.

ok, Deathly Hallows, maybe it does. i do recall at some point, someone shouts "Accio cloak" and the cloak does not move (Harry is outside the Hogs Head at that point.)

but, can you take your minds back from the lies that JKR fed us in this book, all the way back two years ago, to when you read Half Blood Prince.

i can, and thats why i say JKR is filling us with lies.

perhaps i can refresh your memory

'Petrificus Totalus!'
Without warning Malfoy pointed his wand at Harry, who was instantly paralysed. As though in slow motion, he toppled out of the luggage rack and fell, with an agonising, floor shaking crash, at Malfoy's feet, the invisibility cloak trapped beneath him, his whole body revealed with his legs still curled absurdly into the cramped kneeling position. He couldn't move a muscle; he could only gaze up at Malfoy, who smiled broadly.


wow, thats concealed isn't it?

woah, thats impenetrable, isn't it?

um... no, not really.

if Harry's cloak was the Hallow, the spell should not have worked like the Accio spell used on the cloak in DH.

and it doesn't stop there

Goblet Of Fire

say hello to Mad Eye Moody.

Mad Eye's Mad Eye can see through invisibility cloaks. yeah, thats pretty cool, but this is no ordinary invisibility cloak. its a Hallow, and it a Hallow that should keep you concealed no matter what.

but it doesn't does it?

is Harry cloak really a Hallow?

yeah, of course, because JKR says it is, and because Dumbledore says it is.

but is it REALLY a Hallow

hmmm... not so sure.

Tyrin Yates - July 24, 2007 11:52 AM (GMT)
The same thing hit me last night. THe hallows seem a last minute thought to be honest during the writing of the book. The invisibility cloak that Harry possesses is indeed a Hallow however the writer made many many mistakes. Dumbledore could not have penetrated the cloak if it indeed was a Hallow. This is why I think the Hallows were a last minute addition.

Tyrin Yates - July 25, 2007 09:35 AM (GMT)
"give constant and impenetrable concealment" - I think I can explain this. The concealment can never ever be removed. As in the cloak cannot be taken off. the invisibility is impentrable. The cloak cannot be removed by magic and harry cannot be revealed. No where n th books does JK claim that the cloak is "impentetrable." if she didnt add concealment onto the end then she would be wrong.

Cassandra Beliveau - July 26, 2007 02:57 AM (GMT)
Coming in at the tail end of this... but I think what JKR meant was that the cloak was impervious to spells cast on the cloak it self. Such as a spell to destroy the cloak or make it visible..

Tyrin Yates - July 26, 2007 08:49 AM (GMT)
You agree with me then. I explained that in the post above you :)

Squall Leonheart - July 27, 2007 09:12 AM (GMT)
surely though, if it was to give constant and impenetrable concealment, then it could not be taken off or fall off the wearer without the wearer actually wanting it to. constant and impenetrable isn't any good if the damn thing keeps slipping off his head (POA, GOF, HBP, and possibly more examples of this)

Tyrin Yates - July 27, 2007 12:15 PM (GMT)
But thats Harry's doing, it still remains impervious to magical interference.




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